Do undoing

 

Haha..you can not do undoing.

This is from a recent comment on the old version of this blog. Since it is not active anymore, I thought I would respond here.

What does it really mean – undoing or nondoing?

In my experience, it seems to refer to simply noticing that there already is no doer here. Or more precisely, that there may be an image or even a sense of a doer floating around, and it is content of experience just as any other content of experience. There is no “I” in that doer, no more or less than anywhere else. It all happens within and as what I am.

Talking about it in a more conventional way, I find three ways where I actually can “do” nondoing. I can approximate it, through for instance shikantaza and choiceless awareness practice. I can invite  a shift into (noticing) nondoing through those and other practices. And I can notice that there is no “I” in the sense of doer. In each case, it may start out with a sense of a doer intentionally doing something, engaging in a particular practice or activity. And then shift into noticing that there isn’t an “I” in that sense of a doer or anything else, and never was.

So there may be lots of doing – thoughts, intention, choices, action, the wind blowing in the leaves, cars going by. There may be an image of a doer floating around, and even a sense of a doer. And there may be identification with, or as, that doer, it may be what I take myself to be. Or that doer, and any other content of experience, may be noticed as content of experience, as happening within and as what really is.

It is a fertile ground for exploration.

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– you cannot do undoing
— what does it really mean?
— can be doing here and a sense (image) of a doer, either identified with or not
— can (a) approximate it, (b) invite a shift into, (c) notice is no doer here (more accurately, is not the doer)
— the image of a doer is not doing anything anyway, and is not what we really are, can notice (notice it is content of experience as any other content)

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– do undoing
— different ways of talking about it
— active intention, effort etc.
— sense of a doer doing something
— identification with a doer doing something
— is always doing, may even be a sense of a doer floating around, but what it refers to is whether there is identification with that image of a doer – or is recognized as content of experience just as any other content of experience (happening on its own, living its own life)

— cannot do undoing, seems to make sense of the surface, but also sounds confusing and esoteric because it is, it can be said in a much more clear way

— you cannot do undoing
— somewhat true in the “do” part, although can shift, notice etc.
— more true for the “you” part, no I with an other here that can “do” anything at all (and can notice that)

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This is from a recent comment on the old version of this blog. Since it is not active anymore, I thought I would respond here.

It is of course true. We cannot “do” undoing since that would be to do something. More precisely, there is a sense of a doer here doing something.

But it is also not quite true, since we can (a) approximate it, (b) invite the shift to happen, and (c) notice it is already here.

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There are many ways of talking about doing in this context, some quite confusing and one very clear.

Doing can be taken as intention, effort and so on.

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On the surface, it seems true. I cannot do undoing since I then would do something.

But it is also not quite true, since I can (a) approximate it, (b) invite the shift to happen, and (c) notice it is already here.

I can do shikantaza or choiceless awareness practice, which is an approximation of nondoing. I can invite in a shift into nondoing through different practices, including shikantaza. And most importantly, I can notice it is already here.

And in the noticing, there may be a little more clarity around what it really means.

I notice that there is always doing, and there may even be a sense of a doer floating around, but what it refers to is whether there is identification with the image of a doer – or is recognized as content of experience just as any other content of experience.

When I notice that there may be an image of a doer here, but that is not really what I am, then doing is recognized as just happening on its own, as it always is.

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