Viscerally getting others as consciousness

In a very general way, how we perceive ourselves is how we see others.

If I perceive myself as primarily consciousness, I tend to perceive others as primarily consciousness. I tend to see others as consciousness and the world, to them, as happening within and as that consciousness. We are all primarily subjects and a world to ourselves. (We subjectify.)

If I perceive myself as fundamentally this human self, or anything else within the content of experience, I tend to perceive others as fundamentally the same. We are all objects within the world. (We objectify.)


As usual, it’s that simple, and also not.

One question is: How can I deepen into noticing my nature? How can I deepen into living from and as it? How can I invite more of me – this bodymind and psyche – to be more onboard with it? How do I relate to this whole process?

The other question is: How can I deepen into imagining others as consciousness? How can I allow that to work on me and transform this bodymind and life?

Both of these are ongoing explorations. There is no finishing line. (As far as I can tell.)

And there is a difference between these two. The first recognition is an immediate noticing. The second requires some intention and imagination.


I have written more about this below, in another version of this article.

This is an ongoing exploration for me, and it makes a huge difference in how I perceive and relate to other beings.

Here at Finca Milagros, I see any living being as consciousness and a world to themselves. To themselves, they are consciousness just like me. The only difference is the particular body and nervous system they operate through and as.

That gives me a natural reverence for all life. If I kill one of them – inadvertently or intentionally – I snuff out a whole universe. I snuff out their particular universe.

That’s not something I take lightly.

That’s one side of it. The other side is that this bodymind was formed within separation consciousness as is the case for most of us. It has a lot of hangups, wounds, and traumas, as many of us do. And all of that also color how I perceive and live in the world. I eat some meat. I sometimes get scared, angry, and reactive. I sometimes feel exhausted and care less. And so on. That’s part of the process too.

Images by me and Midjourney.

This is a simplified version of a longer article. See below for the first version of this article which gives more details.


What I take myself to be is what I take others to be.


If I take myself to fundamentally be an object in the world, then I’ll see others the same way.

I literally objectify myself and others.

It’s innocent and natural. It’s what the people around us likely taught us we are because they have been taught that way.

It also have some consequences. It does mean it’s easier to objectify others in the way the word is typically used. It’s easier to treat ourselves and others as an object, with all that comes with that.

We can still treat ourselves and others with kindness, which is easier if we were treated that way growing up.


If I take myself fundamentally as consciousness, then I’ll tend to take others that way, and that goes for all “conscious beings”. I’ll see them as primarily consciousness.

To me, the world is in them. And I imagine that to them, their world is in them.

Each of us are a world to ourselves.


This is about how I take myself and others viscerally and before thinking consciously about it.

It’s not about our philosophy or a worldview we take on or wish was true. Although that can be a stepping stone to what’s more visceral and lived.


The way I see and treat others, when I don’t think about it, mirrors back to me how I take myself.

Do I viscerally and spontaneously take and treat others as an object? Then I likely viscerally take myself to be the same.

Do I viscerally and without thinking about it take others as a consciousness, as a world? Then that’s likely how I viscerally experience myself.

Do I see myself and others primarily as an object in the world or a subject that is a world?


Reality is often messier than this.

I may viscerally find myself as consciousness, but don’t yet viscerally take others as consciuosness. It takes an act of imagination and intention to viscerally get others as consciousness. My experience of myself is direct, and my experience of others is imagined.

I may generally take myself and others as consciousness, and when wounds and traumas get triggered in me, I may go into objectifying. These wounded and traumatized parts of me were created within and operate from separation consciousness, and within separation consciousness, we take ourselves and others as objects.

Even if these wounds and traumas are not actively triggered, they are still part of me and color my perception and life. Separation consciousness is in my system coloring what I am and do.

Some may also assume that this is about “getting it” consciously and mentally. That’s a very good first step, and it can shift how we take ourselves and others. But it’s not really what I am talking about. As mentioned above, this is more about how we viscerally experience ourselves and others, before any conscious thought comes in to reflect on it.


I’ll briefly mention my history with this.

When I was fifteen, there was a spontaneous – and definitely not expected or willed – shift where the world seemed infinitely far away. It happened over a few minutes mid-day on January 1st when I was out in front of the house of my parents talking with friends. I still remember it since it was very scary to this human self. Everything in the world, including this human self, emotions, thoughts, and so on, seemed very far away. Later, I realized that this was a kind of observer-observed split and duality. Identification went out of most content of experience, including this human self, and into (the idea of) the observer.

Almost exactly one year later, there was another shift, this time into oneness. The whole observer-observed duality fell away. All without exception was God. It was all revealed as God taking all these forms, including temporarily and locally taking itself primarily as a human self, an observer, and so on. This shift stayed although with infinite changes within it since.

I can’t remember exactly how this theme of objectifying/subjectifying played itself out. I think that, at the time, what happened here was so overwhelming that it was enough in itself. I could see that others too were the divine, taking that form for a while and forgetting what it really was, but it was not the main focus. The main focus was just living the immensity of the shift and how it turned the world upside-down and inside-out, and also dealing with the immense energies running through my system for years after, and the immense flood of insights that came, and also inspiration for drawing, painting, and music.

I definitely find what I write about above. I have needed to intentionally take in that others are like me, they are consciousnesses and the world to them happens within them. I have needed to let that work on me and transform me.

I find that even if this is how it is generally for me, when something is triggered in me, my system can for a while be taken over by separation consciousness and seeing myself and others mostly as objects.

I also find that these pockets of separation consciousness in me, these wounds and traumas, color my perception and my life even if they are not actively triggered.

This too is an ongoing process, as so much else. My psyche – my body-mind – was formed mostly within separation consciousness. When I grew up, I mimicked those around me as most of us do. And this is still with me, even after all these years and all the explorations. It’s not as strong as it was, but it’s still here. That’s OK. It’s part of the process. It’s part of how the divine explores itself, in this case through and as me.

A note about this article: I find I have strong brain fog when I write this, and I was moved to write it anyway. For me, it means my writing gets more like a list is less juicy and flowing, and that’s OK. There is a place for that too.


  • Objectify or subjectify 
    • what we take ourselves to be, viscerally, is what we take others to be
    • An object in the world or a subject that is a world 
    • That their world is within 
    • Can be kind to others within the first view, especially if we have been treated with kindness 
    • And still different with the second one 


  • viscerally getting that others are consciousness
    • at one level, how we perceive ourselves is how we perceive others,
      • viscerally, before conscious thought about it
    • get ourselves as consciousness
      • at one level, recognize everyone and everything as that
      • but also requires work, transformation, intention
      • a process over time, deepens, matures
      • how we life from it deepens and matures
    • especially important today
      • how we see non-human beings
      • for our own survival

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